It’s not that Platner is worse than Collins. It’s that people are putting their time and effort into promoting literal Nazi candidates propped up by consultancy firm Fight Agency instead of working to promote real organic alternatives. Recently Maureen Galindo who was actually “rough around the edges” (unlike what they claim Platner is) was dogpiled by the entire Zionist Democrat establishment including AOC for saying she wanted to put Zionist billionaires into ICE camps.
Everything about Platner is a fake created image. Platner will just be another Fetterman. It doesn’t matter whether he or Collins wins.
This is a really interesting comparison to make. Maureen got NONE of the grace that Platner has been extended from ANYONE. Even Hasan who has been all in on Plat and generally has a “lesser evil” attitude towards elections dismissed Maureen as MTG-like.
Is the USA this fucked that the alternatives are a fascist, a guy with nazi tattoo and a woman saying that Jewish people are controlling the world? LMAO
Well, I think there could be some practical utility to having a Dem senate seat flip. Lots of socialists and radicals vote in elections, and I’d like to see the seat flip blue, if only to punish the right. But practically, I agree actual conditions and consciousness won’t be affected by this election. I’m in favor of checking a box on a specific day, but anything beyond that is a waste of our capacity.
There are specific edge cases where having Platner in that position is marginally better than Collins. Other edge cases where he is worse. I think the current approach of much of the left is good for the first scenario, Platner is a good case of “he isnt one of us, here are the receipts” when our enemies try to pin his false progressive pedigree on us. A future primary against him with an actual progressive candidate would help expose the complicity and corruption of the Democrats, if his term actually goes Fetterman. There would be much more evidence for it after 6 years than now when he has no record.
Honestly I dont think he will win so its all kinda moot. Just because he is a marginally viable candidate doesn’t unseat Collins, you can’t vote a dragon out of office, they have to be “slain” politically. The concrete basis, the mass movement capable of getting her out, just doesn’t exist in Maine, as far as I can tell. Support will only lead to demoralization, but I think there’s tactical utility to flipping the seat.
But like I said, there are scenarios where he is actually worse than Collins, so a political difference could appear in prioritizing those edge cases
But like I said, there are scenarios where he is actually worse than Collins, so a political difference could appear in prioritizing those edge cases
Who cares? Are there any other states into which self-proclaimed progressives are taking so much effort to promote a “slightly better” (actual Nazi mass murderer) candidate? This is all so clearly an orchestrated multi-million dollar campaign by the DNC establishment with their very polished Nazi turd. There’s nothing progressive going on here.
I never said progressives should make an effort to promote him. I said multiple times that we shouldn’t. Just let the situation run its course and queue up the next bozo.
If Platner goes right with Fetterman, that hurts democrats in the eyes of progressives. That is a good thing for socialists, because it gives us a basis to criticize the democrats and affect consciousness around them. But we should not put any effort into promoting him, even tactically, because doing so could harm radical movements in the eyes of the working class.
Do you understand the difference between, “I hope he beats a republican” and “I will do whatever it takes to get him elected”? My position is literally " I dont care and neither should you" and you’re telling me to not care differently.
You seem really invested in the idea of not checking a box for him. You haven’t addressed any of my points, and have started making up things I didn’t say to attack the idea of checking a box that, by your own admission, doesn’t matter if it is checked or not.
I am interested in knowing under what conditions a vote for Platner is worse than a vote for Collins. If you can’t come up with even a single one, then what are you even talking about?
Hurt the Democrats? It hurts the progressives. It’s like nobody has learned a thing from Fetterman. Running some guy with a shady past and all the red flags isn’t going to help the progressive movement. It’s only going to turn off people in the future when the inevitable betrayal comes.
And people should be turned off by a “progressive” movement which endorses Nazi mass murderers. Because it isn’t a viable political strategy. Which loops back to my point.
This is like promoting Kamala against Trump instead of picking someone better. Even if Platner wins it won’t help in the long term.
I’m not advocating for progressive groups supporting him at all!
I’m saying that maybe people in Maine should check a box for him.
If he is a Nazi that could also work out for progressives as a propaganda point (you are certainly wearing the tread out on it) and help sell the idea of party discipline for the masses, another win for socialist politics, and another loss for Democratic party, since socialists tend to like the idea of party discipline
Fetterman hurts the Democratic party in the eyes of progressives. That is good for socialists who want to split the dems and create a legitimate alternative to the Democratic party.
There are numerous examples of a left challenger overturning shitty Democrats. AOC, Jamaal Bowman, Summer Lee, Marie Newman, Abdelnasser Rashid, and Chris Rabb are all examples of progressives taking a win off of moderate Democratic incumbents. While many of these examples are far from perfect, they prove a trend of replacing shitty moderates with progressives.
Its also not a foregone conclusion that he will vote in lockstep with republicans 100% of the time, and if he does then a more progressive candidate could primary him. The only instance where you might be correct would be if he becomes a literal Fetterman, and even though I tend to agree that is a very strong possibility, you can’t prove that and there is little real indication that is the case. Its far more likely he is an idiot than it is he is a Nazi. He would have covered the tattoo if he was a Nazi trying to infiltrate progressive politics. Its far more likely he is going to be a moderate than a ringer for the extreme right. But I wouldn’t rule it out.
You dont have to agree with me! But stop lying about what I’m arguing.
Edited a rude first comment that I wrote out of frustration
I’m not a progressive party though, I’m just some moron online. I dont consider checking a box a actual work that progressives should do. I would not advocate an endorsement or knocking doors or doing propaganda.
Maybe you think voting is the be all end all. I do not. Maybe you think individual votes are the same as party support. I do not. The senate is a fundamentally undemocratic institution and its probably a waste of time to run as a socialist for Senate.
But voting is just checking a box, and we let the undemocratic political machine do what it does, nothing more.
It’s not that Platner is worse than Collins. It’s that people are putting their time and effort into promoting literal Nazi candidates propped up by consultancy firm Fight Agency instead of working to promote real organic alternatives. Recently Maureen Galindo who was actually “rough around the edges” (unlike what they claim Platner is) was dogpiled by the entire Zionist Democrat establishment including AOC for saying she wanted to put Zionist billionaires into ICE camps.
Everything about Platner is a fake created image. Platner will just be another Fetterman. It doesn’t matter whether he or Collins wins.
This is a really interesting comparison to make. Maureen got NONE of the grace that Platner has been extended from ANYONE. Even Hasan who has been all in on Plat and generally has a “lesser evil” attitude towards elections dismissed Maureen as MTG-like.
Is the USA this fucked that the alternatives are a fascist, a guy with nazi tattoo and a woman saying that Jewish people are controlling the world? LMAO
Remeber go vote! 🫠
uh, yeah? absolutely?
There’s a fascist in the white house, democracy as an institution has completely failed here.
That implies the US was ever a real democracy. You can’t claim democracy with slaves.
Well, I think there could be some practical utility to having a Dem senate seat flip. Lots of socialists and radicals vote in elections, and I’d like to see the seat flip blue, if only to punish the right. But practically, I agree actual conditions and consciousness won’t be affected by this election. I’m in favor of checking a box on a specific day, but anything beyond that is a waste of our capacity.
There are specific edge cases where having Platner in that position is marginally better than Collins. Other edge cases where he is worse. I think the current approach of much of the left is good for the first scenario, Platner is a good case of “he isnt one of us, here are the receipts” when our enemies try to pin his false progressive pedigree on us. A future primary against him with an actual progressive candidate would help expose the complicity and corruption of the Democrats, if his term actually goes Fetterman. There would be much more evidence for it after 6 years than now when he has no record.
Honestly I dont think he will win so its all kinda moot. Just because he is a marginally viable candidate doesn’t unseat Collins, you can’t vote a dragon out of office, they have to be “slain” politically. The concrete basis, the mass movement capable of getting her out, just doesn’t exist in Maine, as far as I can tell. Support will only lead to demoralization, but I think there’s tactical utility to flipping the seat.
But like I said, there are scenarios where he is actually worse than Collins, so a political difference could appear in prioritizing those edge cases
Who cares? Are there any other states into which self-proclaimed progressives are taking so much effort to promote a “slightly better” (actual Nazi mass murderer) candidate? This is all so clearly an orchestrated multi-million dollar campaign by the DNC establishment with their very polished Nazi turd. There’s nothing progressive going on here.
I never said progressives should make an effort to promote him. I said multiple times that we shouldn’t. Just let the situation run its course and queue up the next bozo.
If Platner goes right with Fetterman, that hurts democrats in the eyes of progressives. That is a good thing for socialists, because it gives us a basis to criticize the democrats and affect consciousness around them. But we should not put any effort into promoting him, even tactically, because doing so could harm radical movements in the eyes of the working class.
Do you understand the difference between, “I hope he beats a republican” and “I will do whatever it takes to get him elected”? My position is literally " I dont care and neither should you" and you’re telling me to not care differently.
You seem really invested in the idea of not checking a box for him. You haven’t addressed any of my points, and have started making up things I didn’t say to attack the idea of checking a box that, by your own admission, doesn’t matter if it is checked or not.
I am interested in knowing under what conditions a vote for Platner is worse than a vote for Collins. If you can’t come up with even a single one, then what are you even talking about?
Hurt the Democrats? It hurts the progressives. It’s like nobody has learned a thing from Fetterman. Running some guy with a shady past and all the red flags isn’t going to help the progressive movement. It’s only going to turn off people in the future when the inevitable betrayal comes.
And people should be turned off by a “progressive” movement which endorses Nazi mass murderers. Because it isn’t a viable political strategy. Which loops back to my point.
This is like promoting Kamala against Trump instead of picking someone better. Even if Platner wins it won’t help in the long term.
It feels like you are completely talking past this person trying to make your point.
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A lot of irony in this comment
Its ironic how hard you’re defending Susan Collins’s senate seat
I’m not advocating for progressive groups supporting him at all!
I’m saying that maybe people in Maine should check a box for him.
If he is a Nazi that could also work out for progressives as a propaganda point (you are certainly wearing the tread out on it) and help sell the idea of party discipline for the masses, another win for socialist politics, and another loss for Democratic party, since socialists tend to like the idea of party discipline
Fetterman hurts the Democratic party in the eyes of progressives. That is good for socialists who want to split the dems and create a legitimate alternative to the Democratic party.
There are numerous examples of a left challenger overturning shitty Democrats. AOC, Jamaal Bowman, Summer Lee, Marie Newman, Abdelnasser Rashid, and Chris Rabb are all examples of progressives taking a win off of moderate Democratic incumbents. While many of these examples are far from perfect, they prove a trend of replacing shitty moderates with progressives.
Its also not a foregone conclusion that he will vote in lockstep with republicans 100% of the time, and if he does then a more progressive candidate could primary him. The only instance where you might be correct would be if he becomes a literal Fetterman, and even though I tend to agree that is a very strong possibility, you can’t prove that and there is little real indication that is the case. Its far more likely he is an idiot than it is he is a Nazi. He would have covered the tattoo if he was a Nazi trying to infiltrate progressive politics. Its far more likely he is going to be a moderate than a ringer for the extreme right. But I wouldn’t rule it out.
You dont have to agree with me! But stop lying about what I’m arguing.
Edited a rude first comment that I wrote out of frustration
So you’re advocating for him.
I’m not a progressive party though, I’m just some moron online. I dont consider checking a box a actual work that progressives should do. I would not advocate an endorsement or knocking doors or doing propaganda.
Maybe you think voting is the be all end all. I do not. Maybe you think individual votes are the same as party support. I do not. The senate is a fundamentally undemocratic institution and its probably a waste of time to run as a socialist for Senate.
But voting is just checking a box, and we let the undemocratic political machine do what it does, nothing more.