By abortion as contraceptive I mean “I don’t want to use a condom, I’ll just abort later”. I am against that.
If someone don’t want to have a child, just use a condom, or do a vasectomy, or remove the uterus, or use a intra uterine device, or any other method, but don’t banalize it with the mindset “whatever, I’ll just abort it later”
I mean, if the fetus is 2 or 2 weeks old (I can’t pinpoint an exact date, would have to ask some doctors), for me it’s clearly not a person, cannot feel pain and has no instinct of self preservation. In this case a “next day pill” or something similar wouldn’t be bad for in my view.
Up to which week of pregnancy and which conditions would you think it’s ok to abort, and above hoe many weeks and conditions would you say it’s not ok to abort?
Okay, so survival instinct and pain response? Like any animal? I guess I get that, I’m vegan after all.
But that leaves a gaping hole in your justification for a fetus conceived from rape. They develop the same as any fetus. What’s the difference? Isn’t this literally a case of punishing the fetus for the sins of the father?
As for me, I don’t believe any restrictions on abortion are legitimate and recognize pregnancy as a burden that the fetus has no right to inflict it on anybody. Personhood is irrelevant to me because abortion is self defense.
I don’t talk I’m terms of sin because it makes no sense for me.
Yes, a women has rights over her body, but a fetus is clearly not her body. A women would not remove her liver or her legs. The fetus depends on her body, but is not her body. A doctor cannot turn off a life support system on a patience just by saying "its my life support device "
For me there’s a collision of rights: the rights of the women to her body, the right of the baby to it’s life, the right of the father to not have his child murdered (if he opposed it).
The fact the a women/human has much more power over a defenseless baby doesn’t change the collision of rights, specially when since 1970 12 million babies were killed in abortion.
For me there should be conditions in which it’s cirminalized and conditions in which it’s not.
Yes, a women has rights over her body, but a fetus is clearly not her body. A women would not remove her liver or her legs. The fetus depends on her body, but is not her body. A doctor cannot turn off a life support system on a patience just by saying "its my life support device "
Pregnancy is a harm being inflicted and we have a right to defend ourselves from harm. It is self defense. A doctor does not have the right to kill in defense of property, but we all have the right to kill in defense of our bodies.
You are not answering the other, much bigger question. Why is a fetus conceived by rape less deserving of life? I say you’re punishing the fetus for the sins of the father because you’re condemning it to death. Why?
If pregnancy is harm inflicted, why would a women inflict harm on herself? You can’t self defense against yourself.
She got pregnant because she wanted or didnt bother enough to prevent it. If she doesn’t want to get harmed, use a preservative.
About rape: I don’t use the word sin because it’s religious. I am not condening it to death, the mother aborting is. But in this case as It was not her choice to get raped, so obvious she should not be treated as if it was her choice.
If pregnancy is harm inflicted, why would a women inflict harm on herself? You can’t self defense against yourself.
I’m granting the fetus personhood and saying that, even when we do that, termination is justified because it is self defense. The fetus is a person invading my body, mutilating my body, and causing pain to my body. Under this formulation, pregnancy is an incredible mercy and sacrifice made for us even though we don’t deserve to have been born.
But in this case as It was not her choice to get raped, so obvious she should not be treated as if it was her choice.
So it’s about punishing women for having unsafe sex?
That doesn’t explain why it’s okay to kill the fetus, though. The fetus didn’t choose to be conceived from rape. Why does it deserve to die?
if the fetus is invading the body z just don’t make it then. It’s not self defense to terminate it, unless you are saying you are defending yourself from yourself, which means you are your own agressor. If it’s a big sacrifice, just don’t get pregnant.
2)Who said it’s ok to kill the fetus? I just said the mother who is victim rape cannot suffer the same consequence as one who didn’t bother.
Or are you in proposing they should be both criminalized the same?
If you see the discussion here, there was people defending abort at any time, under any circumstances (ie, on the 8th month just because “I changed my mind”)
By abortion as contraceptive I mean “I don’t want to use a condom, I’ll just abort later”. I am against that.
If someone don’t want to have a child, just use a condom, or do a vasectomy, or remove the uterus, or use a intra uterine device, or any other method, but don’t banalize it with the mindset “whatever, I’ll just abort it later”
Yes, I already knew what you meant.
I want the why. What’s wrong with the mindset “whatever, I’ll just abort it later” and why are you against it?
I mean, if the fetus is 2 or 2 weeks old (I can’t pinpoint an exact date, would have to ask some doctors), for me it’s clearly not a person, cannot feel pain and has no instinct of self preservation. In this case a “next day pill” or something similar wouldn’t be bad for in my view.
Up to which week of pregnancy and which conditions would you think it’s ok to abort, and above hoe many weeks and conditions would you say it’s not ok to abort?
Okay, so survival instinct and pain response? Like any animal? I guess I get that, I’m vegan after all.
But that leaves a gaping hole in your justification for a fetus conceived from rape. They develop the same as any fetus. What’s the difference? Isn’t this literally a case of punishing the fetus for the sins of the father?
As for me, I don’t believe any restrictions on abortion are legitimate and recognize pregnancy as a burden that the fetus has no right to inflict it on anybody. Personhood is irrelevant to me because abortion is self defense.
I don’t talk I’m terms of sin because it makes no sense for me.
Yes, a women has rights over her body, but a fetus is clearly not her body. A women would not remove her liver or her legs. The fetus depends on her body, but is not her body. A doctor cannot turn off a life support system on a patience just by saying "its my life support device "
For me there’s a collision of rights: the rights of the women to her body, the right of the baby to it’s life, the right of the father to not have his child murdered (if he opposed it).
The fact the a women/human has much more power over a defenseless baby doesn’t change the collision of rights, specially when since 1970 12 million babies were killed in abortion.
For me there should be conditions in which it’s cirminalized and conditions in which it’s not.
Pregnancy is a harm being inflicted and we have a right to defend ourselves from harm. It is self defense. A doctor does not have the right to kill in defense of property, but we all have the right to kill in defense of our bodies.
You are not answering the other, much bigger question. Why is a fetus conceived by rape less deserving of life? I say you’re punishing the fetus for the sins of the father because you’re condemning it to death. Why?
If pregnancy is harm inflicted, why would a women inflict harm on herself? You can’t self defense against yourself.
She got pregnant because she wanted or didnt bother enough to prevent it. If she doesn’t want to get harmed, use a preservative.
About rape: I don’t use the word sin because it’s religious. I am not condening it to death, the mother aborting is. But in this case as It was not her choice to get raped, so obvious she should not be treated as if it was her choice.
I’m granting the fetus personhood and saying that, even when we do that, termination is justified because it is self defense. The fetus is a person invading my body, mutilating my body, and causing pain to my body. Under this formulation, pregnancy is an incredible mercy and sacrifice made for us even though we don’t deserve to have been born.
So it’s about punishing women for having unsafe sex?
That doesn’t explain why it’s okay to kill the fetus, though. The fetus didn’t choose to be conceived from rape. Why does it deserve to die?
2)Who said it’s ok to kill the fetus? I just said the mother who is victim rape cannot suffer the same consequence as one who didn’t bother.
Or are you in proposing they should be both criminalized the same?
And if the condom fails, is abortion then okay?
I don’t have anything against the next day pill or abortion on the first 2/3 monthes
Well, isn’t “abortion on the first three months” just a long version of what is meant in general when talking about abortion?
It’s e.g. a 7th-month-abortion really a thing in your country or any country at all?
If you see the discussion here, there was people defending abort at any time, under any circumstances (ie, on the 8th month just because “I changed my mind”)