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    6 months ago

    No, the majority of crashes I’ve seen. Nowhere does the marketing say read your email and take you hands off the wheel.

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      Musk’s retweet of the people have sex on FSD with the cute little joke is Tesla marketing.

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          Do you think current and prospective Tesla owners could escape the online marketing system that pumps this info into their online life? One of the reasons I started countering all the Musk bullshit was because I couldn’t escape their online marketing presence. It is everywhere. I might as well have fun fighting it. I’m sure that if you’ve clicked any Tesla marketing links, you’re inundated with their BS.

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            Yes? I’ve been considering buying an EV for a while and the only spam/advertising I see are the constant non-technology posts about Musk in technology communities such as this and on reddit. I’m not sure why you’re operating under the assumption that you have some secret insider knowledge about Tesla or that anyone else is too stupid to see through some BS marketing claims from years ago.

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        Fsd is really sketchy. It either works like a dream or wants to kill you. It’s why you have to agree to a disclaimer when using it otherwise it’ll disable.

        Autopilot if a fancy cruise control. It’s pretty solid but appears to have an issue with fire trucks. I know of one fatal accident where it drove into a firetruck without enough time to react. Tesla should be liable for that. Their product failed and they removed the radar that would have prevented that scenario.

        I haven’t seen the video you are mentioning. It would be stupid for them to market that as a current feature. You must keep your hands on the wheel at all times in fsd. It might accelerate you full speed into oncoming traffic and the car is fast

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          I haven’t seen the video you are mentioning. It would be stupid for them to market that as a current feature.

          https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/musk-courts-controversy-with-tweets-on-sex-video-filmed-in-tesla-5721645/

          Yeah, a responsible CEO would take measures to remove the video, makes statements about the dangers of abusing the system, etc. instead, Tesla CEO, which is also the main marketing account, makes jokes about it.

          Tesla is full of “the driver is always responsible” small print, and then promoting the reckless use of the system through influencer videos and winks from the CEO saying that the legal stuff it’s just due to those peaky regulators. If it wasn’t for them, you wouldn’t really need to keep your hands on the wheel or pay attention. The car just drives itself.

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            Yeah, a responsible CEO

            Elon isn’t reasonable. He shouldn’t be the ceo.

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              Yes, and he and Tesla should be liable for marketing and promoting the abuses of FSD.

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                Fsd us beta feature that requires you to pay extra attention and keep both hands ion the wheel. That’s why instructions and disclaimers are important.

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                  And that is why Tesla shouldn’t be promoting videos that abuse the system. If they do, make Tesla liable when their customers abuse the system.

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              And? What the fuck does that change in regards to the lawsuit? He is the CEO and he is responsible, that’s the reality right now.

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                Read the comment above. What does your comment have to do with either?

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        That is a full self driving demo and has nothing to do with the Accidents. Full self driving and auto pilot are two different things. When you sign up for fsd you agree to not take your hands off the wheel and pay extra attention. Most of the accidents are autopilot which is enhanced cruise control.

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          I don’t really give a fuck what the terminology is to be frank. The technology leads to unsafe behavior, whether it’s FSD or autopilot.

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            I get it words don’t matter. Feelings are what’s important.

            The autopilot on my Tesla is much better than the same technology on my Audi. Both technologies are easy to abuse. That isn’t Tesla’s fault. People need to follow the instructions.

            Now there are a few cases where the technology completely failed when used correctly and that’s 100% Tesla’s fault in my opinion.

            Are you arguing that it’s the people’s fault? Or are you just rambling because it’s Elon.

            Or are you just arguing for god know what’s reason?

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              I’m saying the technology leads to more harm than good in its current implementation. I don’t care it’s better than your Audi, it still sucks overall. “Used correctly” shouldn’t be a huge factor in a good design. It should be easy to use correctly and hard to use incorrectly. This is not the current state. It’s very easy to use incorrectly, as you admit, and the accidents demonstrate this.

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                it still sucks overall

                In what way?

                It should be easy to use correctly and hard to use incorrectly.

                The vehicle prompts you to keep your hands on the wheel and be ready to take over at any moment every time you enable FSD. Everyone using it incorrectly is doing so knowingly.

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                For the Tesla it’s very easy to use correctly.

                Compared to our old cruise control it’s a much better system.

                Nothing can stop people from being idiots. Most of the accidents are people being idiots.

                I have seen a few where 100% it was a Tesla failure and Tesla should be held 100% accountable for those.

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                  For the Tesla it’s very easy to use correctly.

                  Not supported by the evidence, but sure, keep relying on your feelings and telling other people it’s their problem. Projection.

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                    It’s clearly supported by the evidence. It’s cruise control. How complicated do you think cruise control is? You put your hands on the wheel and it maintains speed.

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                  Nothing can stop people from being idiots. Most of the accidents are people being idiots.

                  This is the stupidity I hate most about Tesla shills.

                  Great engineers make genius innovations all the time to keep idiots from harming themselves or others. Those innovations saturate our society and industries at all levels. Good engineering should be trying to do it more.

                  Tesla just doesn’t care, or is even complicit in giving the idiots just enough freedom so people can think Tesla is ahead of the competition. The only difference from Tesla is that other car manufacturers don’t give idiots that freedom.

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                    This is the stupidity I hate most about Tesla shills

                    This is why I hate most about people obsessed with Elon. They can’t have discussions. It’s all weird illogical wants over Elon.

                    Great engineers make genius innovations all the time to keep idiots from harming themselves or others

                    No. When cruise control first came out. It’d drive you right into another car. Auto pilot is just a fancy cruise control.

                    You can take a normal car and drive it into a wall. Tesla is no different. Using your logic a normal car shouldn’t be able to do that.

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      So I assume autopilot disconnects as soon as you take your hands off the wheel, or there’s iris tracking to ensure you’re looking at the road? It’s not like either of these is exotic technology.

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      Elon Musk claimed that full self driving would be ready in 2017!!
      So how many false claims by Elon Musk does it take for someone to think the car can handle trivial situations?