• ameancow@lemmy.world
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        I am a well educated person who uses these forums and many others with regularity and I have many opinions on tech after working in both marketing and the tech sector for a long time.

        That out of the way, I will simply skip over any comment that says “normies” unironically. Especially over and over.

        This isn’t fucking 4chan, communicate like a human like the rest of us. You don’t get out of being one of us. I don’t even know your take because it’s so distracting and immature and condescending.

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            3 months ago

            It’s really funny that they have no idea how profoundly their stinksock echo chamber has shaped their writing style, you can pick out their reek pretty easily in any sane conversation.

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            What does the word “normie”, which is a derivative of “normal”, have to do with incels, who are a subculture of unlikable people calling themselves “involuntarily celibate” (which can’t be true if there are at least two incels near each other)?

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              3 months ago

              There’s a lot to unpack but I think you aren’t being intellectually honest but that doesn’t matter.

              1. The label ‘incel’ was co-opted by mostly hard-right chantards, taken from an online community with VERY different ideals that modern 4chan incels. The truth is most ‘modern’ incels are actually volcels (voluntary celibates) that actively poison their own minds with misogynistic male supremacy ideology, making them a special kind of terrible partner. Think ten million Andrew Tates but broke and with worse hygiene.

              2. ‘normie’ isn’t specifically incel speak, but rather chantard speak, of which modern incels often have their online social roots in. All Honda Civics are cars, but not all cars are Honda Civics.

              3. Incels are loath to fuck each other because a) most are male and homophobic, and b) they already view each other as low quality partners per definition.

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                  3 months ago

                  So you should know that not many people outside of the incelsphere use the word ‘normie’ unironically anymore. Lots of other groups used to, me being a part of several, and we stopped using it to avoid association a few years back but the chantards were being so loud with it that no one noticed really.

                  A lot of language works like that, when you see despicable people using a phrase that you commonly use, you generally tend to stop using them. Which is why there are things like corporate slogans and bumper stickers. All branding and identity.

                  So people self-segregate their language by creating new in-group words and retiring common definitions and whether or not they adopt out-group slang. This creates a unique fingerprint that, if a user is mostly exclusive to that slang group, they will treat the slang as common parlance and unconsciously slip into it when interacting with out-groups.

                  For example, when Digg died, it was common for redditors to call out the immigrating users for their particular line spacing which wasn’t really used on reddit at the time. Same language, slightly different slang, but fundamentally different message structure.

                  4chan’s 2016 crowd were super adept at sniffing out incoming redditors to a degree that almost makes me envious.

                  So when someone uses the phrase ‘normie’ like that, they are very likely to have spent most of their social upbringing (when linguistic adoption is still plastic) on chan-adjacent incel boards.

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                    3 months ago

                    Oh. I see. I thought someone wanted to communicate that “no time to smile” and “you should respect other people” thing to me which, eh, causes the opposite reaction.

                    If that is really, honestly the emotion and context implied from the word, I am going to ask you, as a non-native speaker, what should I replace it to refer to somebody “obnoxious”+“more normal than you”+“more social than you”+“consciously ignorant of details and proud of that”+“watching TV news”+“thinking one can be morally correct while logically incorrect”+“oblivious of their discourse not being the only one”+“judgemental” and other unpleasant traits of many people, connected to arrogance, ignorance and lack of empathy, but with the implication of those traits being hardly avoidable due to lack of experiences those “less normal” of us had.

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              It doesn’t matter where it came from, if you’re steeped in this kind of language it’s a massive signpost that you’ve handicapped your own intellectual abilities in a profound way. Healthy, normal people with regulated feelings and stable perspectives grounded in reality do not frequent the communities that use this kind of language.

              It’s a red flag that will always make the outside world laugh and reject what you have to say, and if your instinct is to retreat back into the places that use this language, you are going to absolutely SUFFER in life, this is a warning coming from a place of compassion, you HAVE to believe me.

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                3 months ago

                I use all kinds of language when it fits my meaning.

                I don’t think anything of what you said makes sense in this situation.

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                  3 months ago

                  Do you honestly think your choice of words in this post led to you being heard and understood? Or do you think that everyone is just being mean bullies? THiiiiiiink hard about this one.

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          3 months ago

          We need more people like you making this clear.

          I saw what 4chan did to ‘the other site’, we DON’T need that shit here.

          Also, as a logophile, your use of:

          with regularity

          absolutely makes me as giddy as a schoolgirl

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          3 months ago

          My unasked for opinion on the word “normies” - there are some real weirdies out there that got wires crossed and they sure don’t revel in their undesired uniqueness. People who can’t sleep for more than 5 minutes spans (she exists), folks sexually attracted to shoe horns, bros who can’t feel pain and burn their hands touching the stove. Be happy most everything ended up where it should and working reasonably well - it’s not a badge of honor to be an anamoulos fringe anything. I imagine it is painful and assume very lonely. Also there is nothing more fucking pedestrian than feeling uniquely misunderstood and alone. THAT is some normie shit.

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        3 months ago

        As one of those weird autists who make computing too hard who’s been using Apple products for decades I really wonder where I fit in.

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            3 months ago

            Oh, I have no illusions that I’m smarter than other people at their chosen profession. Hell, I’m an idiot at my chosen profession quite often.

            Though I do wish people would stop calling me a “miracle worker” and “wizard” because I can get the wifi working.

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          3 months ago

          As someone tired of this shit you fit in just fine, I’m only approaching that stage but can clearly feel it.

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        3 months ago

        I stopped at “normies”. Lose the ego and grow up if you want people to listen to your opinions.

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          3 months ago

          I stopped at “normies”.

          There’s text after that sentence.

          Lose the ego and grow up if you want people to listen to your opinions.

          Not in your case, no