Mate the closest thing you’ve done to making a counter argument is say “nuh uh!” Lol. And again, you’re making baseless assumptions about me.

Why would I defend it when it hasn’t been attacked?

You make a lot of assumptions about me based on nothing. Not a good look.

You sound angry.

Because you choose not to look. That’s the whole point. You refuse to engage with anything.

You clearly don’t care to listen to any of the heaps of evidence that points to the contrary. If you’re not arguing with the intention of actually hearing anything your opposition is saying, why argue? Just like wasting time?

Pretty sure definitionally speaking, you’re wrong, as evidenced above.

And weapons are tools. We’ve come full circle. Appeal to emotions all you want. That’s all your argument boils down to. It’s fuckin hilarious to me that you seem to think this argument is about whether or not guns are a good thing. That’s NEVER been the argument here. Guns aren’t good or bad, they’re simply tools. Treat them with respect and seek actual understanding, and maybe we can actually effectively regulate them.

Well, three of them are construction workers, and one is a kid misusing a tool, is what you want me to say. If you want an example of what I’m talking about, though - three are white, and one is black. Three are facing left, and one is facing right. Three have their arms up, and one had their arms down. All of those are valid answers to your question. This is why definitions, agreeing on them, and sticking to them, are important.

There, you got my response, now go engage with my argument, instead of deflecting.

So do you not consider hunting for food productive? What about sporting purposes?

There’s a very real reason I’m digging in on this. You can’t just arbitrarily say a certain thing isn’t what it clearly is, because it suits your purposes. A gun is still a tool, even if it’s quite regularly misused. You lose nothing by classifying it as a tool, and by seeking to reclassify it as something else, you open the door to a host of legal fuckery.

Further, we regulate tools all the time, so it’s not like saying it’s a tool means we can’t, or shouldn’t, regulate firearms. Just look at cars. Definitely tools, and regulated to high hell. It’s important to be specific, though, if we’re proposing to regulate things. If you’re not specific, you end up with dumb things like certain kinds of nail guns being regulated as firearms.

I’m not some crazy gun nut. I think there should absolutely be some more regulations on guns. I think they should make sense, though, and to do that you have to define your terms rigidly.

Okay now we’re getting somewhere. What definition of tool do you propose we use, that includes claw peen hammers and other “obvious” tools, but excludes firearms?

Do I, though? I’m pretty sure I read it right.

This whole tangent began because you asked for someone to prove that weapons are tools. Dictionaries report common usage of terms, and a gun absolutely, 100% meets the criteria for the top definition for “tool”. I’m literally giving you the information you asked for. If you didn’t want a definition for tool, why would you ask for someone to prove that a gun is a tool, one of the necessary steps of which is to agree on a definition?

Keep going off, though.

Task =\= murder

Ironic that the first thing you jump to in defense of your previous point is a definition argument.

Hilarious that that argument is, again,flat out wrong.

something hard or unpleasant that has to be done

Mate, he’s right. First definition. “A handheld device used to aid in performing a task.” Any gun falls into that definition. But sure, get hung up on asking them to define every word in their statements, that’s a good way to not have to actually engage with the concept.

Sure, get needlessly antagonistic, provoke a response, decide to run from the confrontation you caused, and I’m the childish one. Fuck outta here.

That’s purposely obtuse. Of course guns have a purpose, you even listed one.

I don’t think they’re offended. I think they’re saying that a tool is a tool. A gun or AI are only dangerous if misused, like a hydraulic press.

We can’t go around removing the tools because some people will abuse them. Any tool can kill someone.

You honestly sound very depressed and like you really don’t know what you ARE. Try things, open mindedly, and you may find that some of these things are you, or can be fun regardless. Stop getting in your own way.

Sounds like you finally have a chance to be the adult in a room. Could be a fun, new experience for you!