“fun” fact, Porsche, the guy who founded the car company was a card carrying nazi. Pretty devoted. Just a great example of how the actual elites can support and benefit from insane wars without long term consequences.

whether it is ok to label someone a Nazi because you disagree with them.

In that case, yes, it’s OK to call a nazi nazi.

I only ask that it’s kept civil and the debate is kept relevant to the subject

1. The general societal norm is that nazi shit isn’t considered civil and EM’s doubling down with nazi jokes eliminates the “awkward gesture” defense. So you are expecting civility from others while defending something you claim to consider hateful too.
2. Your priorities are extremely misplaced when this happens concurrently with the US federal government undergoing “ideological review” (their words).

I’m getting really tired of self-claimed “left wingers” advancing the alt-right agenda. You’re either a useful idiot, or dishonest.

yup. A good intellectual test would be asking whether people would draw the same conclusion on intent about the gesture if:

A) it were sexual coming from a person with a history of sexually harassing comments who provides a sexual joke for explanation B) it were a direct insult (like middle finger) from a person with a history of verbally abusive comments, who provides a fuckyou joke for explanation.

People usually have very little difficulty judging the intent in those situations.

me backing the freedom of speech. I don’t know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

FYI, your comment history is public, so people have more context for your posts here than you assume.

The difference here is that you made a post against community guidelines. Where as in this case the guy seems to have been banned for wrong think.

Man, it’s such a shitty hill to die on.

1. When I posted, there was no specific guidance on “incest jokes” at r/Showerthoughts that I am aware of.
2. Normalizing nazi shit goes against most communities guidelines, somewhere around the general, “don’t post hateful stuff” requirements
3. If communities can have their own rules, they are free to ban people for hateful shit.
4. And yeah, Musk made a nazi salute, which at this point is a pretty objective fact (Tesla’s track record of racial harassment, EM’s track record of boosting nazi shit on X, EM renaming self as Kekius Maximus, talking about the “future of our civilization” while doing the gesture, repetition, and turning as per nazi protocol, etc etc.). The only things that are up for debate are A) why did he do it? B) Was he chemically impaired while doing it.

Hear me out. Let’s remove the politics from this equation for a second

Let’s say I stood on a podium, did pelvic thrusts and formed a V with my fingers stuck my tongue through them making circular motions with it, and when people got upset, I responded to with pussy jokes. Would you interpret my actions as an “awkward gesture”? You could, but people would consider you either a perv, or a troll. Same applies here.

So yeah, stop normalizing nazi shit.

It’s weird that this issue only comes up when it comes to defend nazi shit and not with other things. I’ll give you a specific example: I posted this on r/ShowerThoughts: “Incest is like pissing in your gene pool”. I think it’s pretty good, but mods deleted my post because it goes against community guidelines. If I got into an argument with the mods and got banned from r/ShowerThoughts, I wouldn’t be going around crying about “freedom of speech”, because it’s dumb, and communities have rules.

These arguments are always about normalizing nazi shit. Fuck that.

And it’s incidentally the closest ASCII character to a swastika

Did you read the article?