deleted by creator
The devs don’t really seem to have a clue about smartphone.
https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lt2prfb2vk2r…iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple…
Can’t speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you’ve lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/
Thanks for the heads up.
Saw it wasn’t on F-Droid and was going to ask for source page (to get through Obtanium), but looks like they’re allergic to android and derivates. Appreciate you pointing to references.
Glad others have pointed this out. Their “reasons” for not supporting 70% of worldwide smartphones via Android seemed very suspect.
I think he thinks HE had to store the information, and if he isn’t the one storing it, it’s anonymous.
Except, on Android, you can also do it where only google stores the information and he doesn’t have to store any. And there are no user name or passwords or accounts involved to listen to specific channels like he claims.
You can collection this information, and you’d be able to write a more custom push service, but it isn’t needed at all, but Google and Apple will always know who is getting the messages.
deleted by creator
Think about that for a second. Immigration and Customs Enforcement by definition involves at least one border and 2 countries. Even if they only went after American citizens (which they’re trying to do), they’d be deporting you somewhere else.
As it is, I suspect a significant number of at-risk people in the US and their advocates use Android.
Because visitors to the US don’t tend to be from the US, that’s only logical
Lol, called it.
Incompetence and false bravado is all but guaranteed with development teams. Especially when it’s closed source, not audited, and has minimal room for feedback loops.
You don’t even need to audit a closed source app to know that Apple knows which devices its sending pushes to. It works because they know.
She said that there’s been a 500 percent increase against ICE agents who are just “trying to do their jobs and remove public safety threats from… communities.”
Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.
It’s so blatant as if theyre using an instruction manual or something 🤔
I loathe and despise using percentages like this.
500% sounds super scary, but is meaningless without providing the baseline. If there was only one instance before and now there’s 5 it isn’t a significant increase but 500% sure sounds scary.
Worse still it’s not even clear what is being discussed. It implied “violence” but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
We all know that cops will try to charge you with assaulting them if you so much as shrug while being arrested. And they’ll contrive situations just so they can do that. I’d say that makes their statistics meaningless without specific details and proof.
ICE also keep getting caught on camera lying about being threatened before they start beating some innocent
someone on bsky did the match and found out that 700% increase is still only like 70 incidents (i forget who it was that posted it)
“Just following orders…”
Unjust, following orders
“He’s giving a message to criminals where our federal officers are,” Bondi said. “…we are looking at it, we are looking at him, and he better watch out, because that’s not a protected speech. That is threatening the lives of our law enforcement officers throughout this country.”’
Actually, I believe it is protected speech. There are apps that let people know where speed traps are. You mean it’s not constitutionally protected to say to someone “hey, did you see the cop down on the corner?” Ridiculous. Of course, what she means to say is that the constitution doesn’t matter and laws are made up now, and they’re just going to do whatever the fuck they want. They’re just not quuuuuite ready to go through the trouble of literally setting the constitution on fire yet.
We need a federated equivalent. Anything centralized can be stopped.
Federation is an overly complicated solution it’s not required. It also wouldn’t actually help, they can still take it off the app store there’d be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.
The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There’s no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that’s a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that’s probably unnecessary
Honestly yeah, if we can just torrent the database and have it stored outside the U.S then it’s good
At the very least I hope it’s hosted by someone outside the US so it’s out of reach to the authorities.
For all we know the app might just be a honeypot itself
This is a genuine concern that we should recognize.
I’m about 99% confident it isn’t, but considering it is the kind of caution we should all be exercising these days.
- Is it open source? (No)
- Is it’s publishing and build pipeline open? (No)
- Can anyone audit it? (No)
- Does the author make unreliable claims of privacy? (Yes)
- Does the author detail how data privacy and security is implemented? (No)
It’s probably not a honeypot. But it’s also likely to be negligent enough in implementation that it might as well be.
How would we learn either way if it was or wasn’t?
Someone knowledgeable enough would be able to figure out where every upload is going, I’d wager. But that would take Someone that is knowledgeable enough, as well as willing to expose an app like that given the potential consequences.
When the feds come for you for using it
Federated application for a map with markers and notes?
It seems for me that this would be too narrow a purpose.
Maybe a general-purpose public notification map. With some functionality allowing to separate markers by their authors and by tags. Or it can be spammed with bogus markers. By tags - well, for it to be general-purpose. By authors - because moderation can’t be left to instance admins.
And, of course, I’m personally for separation of moderation, instance ownership, identities and hosting, but my own toy attempt showed me that the logic of checking the chain of privilege delegation is kinda PITA. That is, separating identities from instances is not that hard. And communities. What’s hard is the community owner delegating rights to other identities, and in general authorized actions. It’s a task of determining which privileges does an identity currently possess, and how does it affect its own actions on the community, and in which order should those be processed … Everything is harder than it seems. Sad.
So federation is fine LOL.
Why too narrow of a use case?
Imagine federation with text linked to other text, that’d be crazy, right?
Wait, it’s actually more complicated than that 🤔
But FR using existing federated protocols to build something like this is EXACTLY what the protocols are for. You don’t need to implement the federation yourself, you can use an existing network
Is it only available in the US App Store? I can imagine that some people who could make good use of it don’t have a US Apple ID.
Good. I hope they’re terrified. The same as their victims
Removed by mod
Your wife is going to be grabbed out of your home and thrown into an unmarked SUV and you will never see her again. And you’ll let it happen because you would rather be a slave to a regime than confront the fact that you’re wrong.
Have you not seen all the people whose legal latina wives have been abducted off the street, shoved into packed prisons and then shipped off to some random country?
Obvious troll is obvious
I don’t think everybody who makes a bad claim is a troll. A lot of people just are that stupid.
Removed by mod
I agree. ICE are complete cowards for hiding thier faces.
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Send & Receive alerts about ICE raids and activity in your area. Stop ICE Alerts Network works with technology already built into your phone without the need to download an app.
This is the way.
You’ve still got to connect to their servers and they can monitor who connects to what.
I wouldn’t trust it without a non-US based VPN. We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed, and that they are watching.
they can monitor who connects to what.
They can also not do that.
We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed
International VPNs are not immune from US subpoena.
international VPNs are not immune from US subpoena
And condoms are only 98% effective.
A condom and VPN work on the same principle: a layer of protection. No protection is ever 100% effective, but you can at least try.
Remember, they’re already building the camps. It’s only a matter of time before “helping illegals” is a crime that gets you sent to the camps. I’d rather make the fascists work for it at least.
And condoms are only 98% effective.
Your analogy doesn’t make sense. It would be more apt to say “condoms from Walmart can be compromised!” but it makes no sense because they can be compromised anywhere.
It’s not to say that you shouldn’t use them, it’s to say that you should always be suspicious.
Stop lice!
Is there an android version?
There is not and it is due to privacy implications. You can read more on their site about it and ALSO, there are fake Android apps of this that they caution you to not install. As of now, there is no Android version and unlikely unless Android fixes the way notifications work to not have any account or privacy issues for such an app.
Incompetence is not a “privacy implication”. You think Apple servers are beyond reach of US warrants?
This is not true. https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lt2prfb2vk2r
Which part? Are you saying they have made an android version?
The link in the comment you’re replying to says which part is not true, but since you seem more willing to comment than to click a link and read, I’ll summarize:
The part about the Apple Push Notification service requiring less information that can identify an individual user than Google’s Firebase Cloud Messaging is not true. Both use a similar token system. Furthermore, it is possible to build android apps with notifications that do not use FCM.
they probably want to also make it as easy as possible for those who aren’t technologically savvy or whose native language isn’t english, though
Maybe they want that, but the statement on their website is not wrong on a technicality because it’s oversimplified; it’s wrong because it asserts a privacy difference between the two operating systems that does not exist.
It’s actually not possible to build a push service like FCM or APNS on Android and have it function at the same level as FCM. FCM has special permissions to bypass certain device states on the device to ensure message delivery that nothing else can match.
The best you can do is approximate it with an always active websocket and a foreground service always running with battery optimizations disabled, but good luck not having that foreground service shut down on occasion as well. Devices are hostile to them for battery saving purposes. You’d have the best luck with a Pixel device though for something like that. You could also do some sort of scheduled background polling, but the device can be hostile to that as well, and it would eat more battery.
Then don’t claim the reasoning is anonymity.
No, they are saying that Android and Apple both have a privacy issue on the same level.
It’s not on the same level. Android at least provides the option of using an alternative notification system, and also supports downloading apps from anywhere. Including places that don’t require an account.
Expected this after recent news articles criticizing it for hurting ICE officers.
Clearly it’s just safety minded individuals acquiring it. This app helps keep communities safe from unmarked armored vehicles filled with masked criminal cop impersonators.
