• frozenspinach@lemmy.mlEnglish
    43·
    1 day ago

    Daily reminder that Brave uses Chromium, an open source project where all the commits are approved or denied by Google devs.

  • kazerniel@lemmy.worldEnglish
    604·
    2 days ago

    I think anyone who is already using Firefox knows very well why they wouldn’t want to use Brave 🤷 (My main reasons were being a Chromium browser and having unwanted crypto features included.)

    Edit: Oh yes, and the CEO’s homophobia is not helping either…

  • 4am@lemm.ee
    214·
    2 days ago

    Brave? The browser that hides ads and substitutes their own? The one that keeps you private from Google AdSense so they can sell your data themselves? The one that keeps their Chromium build lean, so that you don’t notice the crypto miner running along side of it?

    The fucking PayPal Honey of browsers? When the fuck did they ever look good? They’re like the “Banzai Buddy” of the HTML5 era

  • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
    161·
    2 days ago

    After installing Brave I was getting some kind of failed login popup in my GNOME desktop environment. Uninstalled it and the popup disappeared. It gave me the heeby jeebies about Brave.

    • pixelapoc@lemmy.mlEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      Not to defend Brave, but this sounds like it was just a pop-up for the Gnome key wallet or something like that.

      • Cactus_Head@programming.dev
        6·
        2 days ago

        Yeah, it tries to use the keyring to store passwords every time you launch it even if you turned off password saving, the same applies to chrome and chromium browsers in general plus most password managers, tho not always. I tried to troubleshoot it, most forums online suggested to remove gnome key-rings if you are not using them but it kept reinstalling it. This plus brave being slower on mobile made me switch to firefox

    • LWD@lemm.ee
      22·
      2 days ago

      Brave still does include ads enabled by default. You need to disable sponsored images in the New Tab page.

    • yonder@sh.itjust.works
      114·
      2 days ago

      Vanilla Firefox is not clean either. It

      • Has sponsored articles on new tabs
      • Uses Google by default

      Though, these are trivial to disable and even come pre-done on the linux distro I’m using to writ this comment.

      • unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml
        1·
        2 days ago

        Honestly, I’m fine with Google being the default search engine (since they pay a lot for the priviledge and it’s trivial to remove). What I acrually have a problem with is Firefox using Google Firebase for analytics and Google whatever for “safe search” queries, etc. These are a lot more hidden, which I find borderline malicious. With the search engine you at least get the notification of “fuck I’m on Google” whenever you search for something, so it doesn’t do all that much harm since it’s very opaque, unlike having to refer people to ffprofiles to purge google completely.

        On that note - if you want to get rid of Google from Firefox as much as possible visit ffprofiles. It has it all nicely explained. You just tick some boxes and apply the profile as per the ~5-step instructions. You’ll be done in less than 20 minutes.

    • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
      1523·
      2 days ago

      Haven’t found anything on Android to replace it with, and on Desktop swapped to it after Chrome Manifest V3.

      I work as a web dev, and after the install I just disabled the wallet etc, and am left with a browser with native quick dark mode toggle, built in support for ublock lists, and otherwise familiar Chrome experience, with full extension support and foldable device support.

      Firefox has certain UI/UX choices I dislike, and they are behind in implementing lots of features (that are rarely an issue to non devs).

      • John Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
        346·
        2 days ago

        Cromite. Every time you use Brave you help promote their right-wing CEO known for donating money to ban gay marriage.

        • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
          820·
          2 days ago

          Could you explain how that logic works? I don’t support their CEOs points of views by simply browsing the web with the app.

          I can understand how mentioning this, I would, but I was compelled to reply to your question.

          Edit: Naos question*

          Edit 2: I don’t see Cromite in the app store, and have near zero will for tinkering/manual updating after a days work in tech.

          • John Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
            193·
            2 days ago

            CEOs don’t just make money on ads, they also make money on users that use their apps. Every download or ping then Brendan Eich can go to investors & say that he now has more potential to make them money, so they give him investments in return, which then he can pocket a few million & when/if Trump tries to get legislation passed to ban gay marriage, then Eich is going to likely be helping fund getting that passed again.

            https://github.com/uazo/cromite

            • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
              43·
              2 days ago

              I find this weird, as I’ve seen trans and lqbtq ads in brave befofe disabling ads. I checked Eich out now, is the whole controversy really just due a 1000$ donation to a christian group (which had anti gay agendas among other things)?

              I’m honestly just a bit baffled, might be I’m just very out of the loop.

              • John Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
                82·
                2 days ago

                The money was for the campaign for Prop 8 itself, not some organization that he had no clue what it was going for. Plus, despite claiming he regrets it, he then has continued to defend his antigay position on social media.

          • Signtist@lemm.eeEnglish
            123·
            2 days ago

            CEO’s get money from people using their products, and Google’s CEO spends a lot of that money lobbying in order to push the government further right. It’s not a tough thing to follow. “Support” isn’t about whether or not you agree with them, it’s about whether or not you help fund their actions when you have other options that wouldn’t.

          • LGTM@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            51·
            2 days ago

            Just a small rec: Obtainium has been great for managing git sources (how I get my Cromite), I don’t think I really needed any dev experience at all.

            A small pain is that some repo owners only publish source code, but you know, that’s just how it goes

      • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        Are Firefox’s UX choices bad, or do you just want it to be another copy of Chrome and refuse to learn something new?

        The fact that Firefox on Android actually supports extensions is more than enough reason for me to choose it over a chromium version.

        • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
          11·
          2 days ago

          In a perfect world the UI would be customizable to the extent that I feel at home and don’t need to unlearn and relearn patterns ingrained in my brain. For me those patterns are very relevant as I work in the field and every time the tools force me to spend more time working around them instead of with them, lead to loss of efficiency.

          Extension support exists in some Chrome based browsers, too. Kiwi Browser also comes to mind.

          Remote debugging is also important to me, and even though you can install Chrome dev tools in Firefox, it doesn’t work with remote debugging.

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
            3·
            2 days ago

            It “working for you and not against you” in this case is mostly down to just getting used to it. It’s the same issue people have switching to Linux. Linux is the better and easier option, but if you expect it to work exactly like Windows then you’ll have a bad time. If you attempt to learn how it works then it’s great.

            Firefox is fairly customizable, but most of that’s hidden and you need to do some searching online and digging. You can also use something like Floorp.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        81·
        2 days ago

        I feel you. I use Firefox on Android (technically Mull), and it’s generally pretty good. It does seem like some sites don’t work properly on mobile Firefox that work fine on desktop, but I haven’t looked into why (and I’m guessing it’s those missing features you’re talking about).

        • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
          131·
          2 days ago

          Im guessing the website hasn’t been optimized for mobile.

          You’re blaming your car for the roadwork.

          • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
            310·
            2 days ago

            I’m blaming a browser that hasn’t implemented as many standards as it’s competitors, and choosing therefore to use a free car that runs well on said roads.

                • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  2·
                  2 days ago

                  How many of these “lacking features” are actually standardized? Of course some draft under development by Google will only work in the latest version of Chrome. It might not even work in future versions of Chrome, since it’s not standardized.

                  If you built something that requires such a feature, it’s you who is choosing to write code that is incompatible with the standards and only works on a particular browser version. You can’t blame others for that.

                • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
                  43·
                  2 days ago

                  I’m sorry. I don’t think you understand the relationship between a browser and a websites settings.

                  If a website is not made to be compatible with a certain browser, that is the websites fault. Not the browser.

                  That link is a wall of checkboxes with no explanation, btw.

                  (Also, not touching Chrome. Pretty sorry for you that you’re defending it so much.)

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
        46·
        2 days ago

        Personally I really want to use one browser across all my systems so I can get tab and bookmark syncing. But Firefox is just so bad on both Android and iPad OS.

        On my phone, I try and do the “framed” daily game. You start typing your guess and it pops up autocomplete suggestions. Except if I’m on Android on my phone, where I start typing and nothing happens. Even the letter I typed doesn’t appear in the text box. The browser just completely freezes. On every other browser I’ve tried, including Firefox on desktop, it works perfectly. It also seems to have worse touch targets than other browsers. If I go to a poorly-mobile-optimised site in other browsers on Android, such as Lemmy’s web UI, somehow other browsers are just really good at knowing what I was trying to click on. I can quite easily tap a small button or link that’s near other buttons or links, and I manage to get the right one. In Firefox that doesn’t happen. Much more often if I try that, the wrong link gets clicked, and I have to go back and pinch to zoom before carefully clicking what I wanted.

        The iPad OS experience is not as fundamentally broken as that, but is instead just…clumsy. On some sites I’ll scroll and elements of the page will move about or images will resize, in ways they don’t on other browsers. More than once it has caused me to click something I didn’t intend because it moved into the place that what I wanted was previously.

        I really want to like Firefox. On desktop it’s a particularly good experience, being able to install real extensions without Chrome’s restrictions, while not shoving AI slop down your throat like Edge does these days. But it’s just so very hard to fully commit when the experience on my phone is so poor.

  • Viatorem@lemmygrad.ml
    5·
    1 day ago

    used brave for like a year, saved up however much in their stupid coin and when i went to get it, my browser reset how many ads i saw.

  • lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de
    20·
    2 days ago

    Firefox is my main browser, but I occasionally need a Chromium browser for technical reasons. I had been using Brave - note the past tense there. Any suggestions for my new secondary browser?

  • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
    402·
    2 days ago

    I don’t know much about brave except that its chromium based and apparently removes web ads as its main feature. Why are they running ads? Why do I keep getting this browser recommended? How the fuck do they make money to be able to target me with this info? Something is off and I don’t like it. I feel like the pressure to use brave isnt coming to me organically so I’m staying clear of it. I just have a bad feeling and I’ll trust my gut on this.

    • teolan@lemmy.world
      31·
      2 days ago

      Because they “reward” people with crypto for watching ads so a lot of cryptobro assholes have financial interest in the browser getting more popular.

      Also the CEO is homophobic and right-wing so it speaks to a lot of loud assholes.

    • irelephant 🍭@lemm.eeOP
      251·
      2 days ago

      Its full of crypto bullshit as well, and they add their own ads too some pages that they pay you to watch (in a useless crypto)